This is Five and Nine, a podcast and newsletter at the crossroads of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Season 3, Episode 4.
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Summary
Futures thinker, artist and creative producer Nour Batyne reminds us to slow down to the speed of presence. The future is not just space travel and new technology but the legacy we leave as future ancestors. We'll hear from Nour how she decided to make the leap from the nine to five life into starting her own studio, and we'll learn about the influence of her teita, or grandmother, on her life and practice, and why land acknowledgements are so important.
Nour offers a meditation that helps us face the climate crisis by honoring our interconnectedness, and we'll hear her and her cousin sing an Arabic Galilean folk song in honor of her grandmother. Also: why the smell of jasmine means freedom.
Season 3 is all about rest. In a time of extended crisis, permacrisis and polycrisis, taking time to decompress is not just a benefit but a necessity. Learning to slow down, reflect and make space for expansive thinking is part of what makes rest so sweet but also so elusive. Grab a blanket, turn down the lights, and turn up Five and Nine this season to hear new perspectives on the age old practice of reflection, rejuvenation and recovery.
Resources
About Our Guest
One of Many Studio, co-founded by Nour Batyne and Britt Pham
Tarot Cards Discussed
Resources
Music
Episode: That soothing serenade (Was just written for me), composed by Harry De Costa and performed by Henry Burr, 1918.
Closing: ΩΩ Ψ§ Ω ΩΩΩ Ψ§ΩΩΩΨ§ (Yamma Mweil Al Hawa), performed by Nour Batyne and Bushra Batyne at Bars for Thought, an open mic poetry night in Brooklyn, 2023.
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Five and Nine is pleased to roll out a new benefit for supporters: meditations. This section includes standalone meditations pulled straight from Five and Nine episodes, with contributions by Dorothy R. Santos, AX Mina, Kai Stowers, Angela Mictlanxochitl, Kim Acebo Arteche and Nour Batyne.
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Five and Nine is a podcast and newsletter at the crossroads of magic, work and economic justice. We publish βmoonthlyβ β every new moon π and full moon π β , and we provide an ongoing critical discussion through readings, reflections and debate.
In this new world, weβre all rethinking the meaning of work and justice in our lives. Our lives and livelihoods are more essential than ever in identifying ways forward for society that can be grounded in care, compassion and sustainability.Β
Directors of Magic. Dorothy R. Santos and Xiaowei R. Wang
Creative Director. Xiaowei R. Wang
Lead Producer. AX Mina (Ana)