Five and Nine: Tarot, Work and Economic Justice
Five and Nine: Tarot, Work and Economic Justice
🌝 Bonus Episode: AX Mina on the Magic of Pluralistic Futures at re:publica Berlin
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🌝 Bonus Episode: AX Mina on the Magic of Pluralistic Futures at re:publica Berlin

Following up on Episode 4.06, we talk about magic in the context of how we think about the future, in this special recording from a live talk in Berlin.

Following up on Episode 4.06. The Turtles and the Stars: An Interview with AX Mina ✨🐒✨🐒, we present a talk from Five and Nine’s AX Mina about magic and pluralistic futures, given earlier this year at re:publica in Berlin. Mina examines the use of the word β€œmagic” in technology and rise of the technological sublime during the Industrial Revolution, and she explores a more expansive, pluralistic view of our future, grounded in ancient wisdom traditions and not a small amount of the magical and mystical.

Image courtesy re:publica

When we think of the future, we think of magical technologies like flying cars, talking robots and contact with far-away planets. In this view, the only way out of our current crises is through new technologies. But what if our visions of what’s next were informed by a more expansive sense of magic β€”Β interconnection, care, responsibility and personal transformation?

Republished courtesy permission from re:publica.

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Five and Nine is a podcast and newsletter at the crossroads of magic, work and economic justice. We publish β€œmoonthly” β€” every new moon 🌚 and full moon 🌝 β€” , and we provide an ongoing critical discussion through readings, reflections and debate.

Five and Nine is produced by Five and Nine Futures Lab, a research, design and strategy consultancy that helps organizations and companies build better futures through the lens of work, care and magic.

In this new world, we’re all rethinking the meaning of work and justice in our lives. Our lives and livelihoods are more essential than ever in identifying ways forward for society that can be grounded in care, compassion and sustainability.Β 

Directors of Magic. Dorothy R. Santos and Xiaowei R. Wang
Creative Director. Xiaowei R. Wang
Lead Producer. AX Mina (Ana)

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Five and Nine: Tarot, Work and Economic Justice
Five and Nine: Tarot, Work and Economic Justice
Five and Nine is a podcast and newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice, produced by Dorothy R. Santos, Xiaowei R. Wang and AX Mina.
Each season, we publish β€œmoonthly” β€” every new moon 🌚 and full moon 🌝 β€” , and we provide an an ongoing critical discussion through readings, reflections and debate.
In these upside down times, it’s time for a new perspective on the classic β€œ9 to 5” (and yes, we’re Dolly Parton fans). In tarot and astrology, reversals and retrogrades matter, because they shed light on our situation in new ways. Five represents turning points and change, and Nine represents a coming to completion.
We’re all rethinking the meaning of labor and justice in our lives. Our lives and livelihoods are more essential than ever in identifying ways forward for society that can be grounded in care, compassion and sustainability.
This podcast is always free, and we're supported by paid members. Learn more at thisisfiveandnine.com.
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